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July 13, 2006

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Tim MMF

Great article, it's interesting to see how the "buy and hold" crowd would have done. I need to look into technical analysis more.

frankyj

Taking a look at the spread sheet, you don't take into account commissions/taxes (which of course makes it harder to model) but at the same time are a real factor and one of the main reasons technical analysis "fails". Once those real world factors are included, almost any trading rules fail. I'm sure you're aware of that though, just wanted to point that out.

lamoneyguy

Frank the FSA, very true. Trading costs, of course, are nearly negligible, depending on the size of the investment. Taxes can take a big chunk, especially if they are short term gains. This is partly why I used longer term MAs.

I think the biggest benefit to technical analysis or any other trading rules is to provide you with another perspective in your decision making process. Often stocks are purchased because an investor believes in the fundamentals of the company. Quickly, the stock turns south, but most investors have difficulty selling at a loss, even when prudent (see charts on BRCD and KKD). Often the fundamentals have not changed, so how do you determine that it is time to sell?

Buy and sell rules give you a realistic process, and adds discipline.

frankyj

True. I've heard from more than one person: "I made some investing rules, and if I had just stuck with them, I would have been much better off". Discipline is definitely the key.

Coincidentally, did you notice the dollar-cost averaging story at yahoo? Take a look.

frankyj

Maybe if I provided a link :P Dollar Cost Averaging not all it's cracked up to be

lamoneyguy

Hmmm... interesting article. I actually think DCA is pretty good for many young invetors. It works because most young people do not have a large amount all at once anyway. Also, it provides a disciplined way to regularly invest money. It does not provide any guidance to ever sell, thus is very popular among mutual fund salespeople.

Randy

I was curious what the results might look like on the indexes if the related new 2x Long ETF was used. And what might happen if the related 2x Short ETF was used in place of the T-Bill rate. Since the data isn't available, I assumed the ETF daily change percents are the same for 1x or double for 2x -- which isn't necessarily valid.

For example, where your "Timing" formula was:

=IF(J2144="OUT",K2144*(1+I2143/365),K2144*(1+(F2143-F2144)/F2144))

...I used this for a "2x Long/2x Short" model:

=K2144*(1+IF(J2144="OUT",-2,2)*(F2143-F2144)/F2144)

If my calculations are correct, using the spreadsheet data you provided:

S&P 500 Index
$16,629 Timing
$12,881 B&H
$16,599 Timing/1x Short instead of T-Bill
$20,473 2x Long/2x Short
$22,729 2x Long/T-Bill

QQQQ (Nasdaq 100 Trust)
$27,083 Timing
$13,112 B&H
$30,297 Timing/1x Short instead of T-Bill
$26,098 2x Long/T-Bill
$40,668 2x Long/2x Short

There were four times the 2x Long/2x Short model peaked between $60K and $70K, on wild fluctuations up and down.

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